Enzymind Labs

frustratingly I still cant tell if you’re messing with my head or serious -if it is genuine head-messin, then...im still confused...but anyway, i never put much creed in the 'nothing is verifiable' argument and consider it to be of the 'i know you are but what am i' variety of retort.  i have little patience for epistemological interpretations of objective reality. i make some assumptions just to make it through the day: science is distinct from fiction based on intent to find truth rather than simulate it and that science is built and dependent on a contiguous train of logical self supporting information, whereas fiction -and art- has the, advantage and weakness, of being able start anew from any frame of reference. 

which side of the informational event horizon were on makes no difference since it is by definition unknowable.  Also I think 'informational black hole' is a misnomer because information does not have an equivalent constant 'prybar' parameter such as the speed of light which was used as the basis to predict black holes.  Maybe 'associative relevance density' might suit the phenomena better.   

RE: 'Internet Black Hole Discovered'

Well, I didn't mean for it to be frustrating, just engaging. But that's a core idea behind fiction science, to blend the two well enough that you really have to examine what and how you believe things.

You appear to believe in a fully objective definition of truth, but you'll see in this truth discussion that not everyone does. You know I'm a big believer in the power of the scientific method, but I take a much broader view of truth. I view truth as the best story that can be made from the evidence. But it's only a story, and that story might change, for me and others. Scientific theories can "start anew", from a new frame of reference too.

I think unverifiable and unknowable are synonymous -- you seem to discount anything that is unverifiable, but embrace things within/without a black hole as unknowable.

The speed of light applies to information theory too. Information can not be transmitted, by any means including photons, at faster than the speed of light. Gravitational black holes are also informational black holes. But informational black holes include other abstract objects, where information is sequestered for non-gravitational reasons. These reasons include technology that can integrate information far faster than humans can imagine interpreting that information. That's the basic premise of the phrase/postulate "technological singularity".

I think you're right that "informational black hole" is a misnomer, but I think that's true for "gravitational black hole" too. 'associative relevance density singularity' just doesn't ring. Is "associative relevance" a metric of information? 'Gravitational density singularity'?

then maybe 'truth-like' would be closer to the ideal. my own POV is that in my limited perceptual facilities as a human ive judged all the options that are available to my consciousness by which to evaluate my surroundings such as religion, insanity, torpid stupor, etc and have concluded that science has the best likeness of truth.  what is 'real' truth and why is of value?  in biological terms, it might be best describe as the opposite of false.  falseness can be nasty because their are infinite falsenesses but only a few truths that apply to a given situation.  pursuit of truth is thus a type of survival strategy.  if an organism can focus on the 'true' solution to a life problem, then they are more likely than a competitor that has chosen a false solution (anything other than truth) to a given situation and as a consequence dies (although the dead organism may have a perfectly sound and valid philosophical argument)  but dead is false, live is true.  So ya i suppose im a semi-objectivist for lack of a better alternative.  I'm open to suggestions though.  If you want a die-hard objective realist take a look at my dads site .

Sam Clemens i believe  is notable for saying it.  ever read his  'the californians tale'?   the protagonists insanity is verified by the majority and thus becomes his own personal true reality.

maybe once im done with school aps etc we can do a expedition into some of the nooks and crannies of nw cali.  trinity alps are just awesome in terms of the high variety/density of ecosystems in a small area.  have to tell you about a hike i took to 'el lake ' in the alps there a few years ago.   ive got this far off dream of maybe once ive got a little more life stability of permanently living in that region of cali.  maybe in an rv because there are so many subplaces that i like there.  its kind of a far tangent use of enzymind: still be able to do science -at least theoretical/computational- from anywhere.  The technology to get internet connections on any spot of globe a la satellite digital cell grids exists.  the one thing that may be pivotal in doing such a lifestyle for me would be the availability of ALL books new and old online.